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C. BARRON |
Do you think that migrations
are an opportunity ? |
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loulou Alex |
Immigration is an opportunity
when Immigrants come with their culture because this culture can be very
intersting for the host country if there are new idees that can help this
country to develop itself |
|
Leo et Quentin |
Yes to develope econmics
relations between Europeean countries. |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
yes, because it's very
interesting to meet new people+see different cultures |
|
Marie Domitille |
For the economy, there will
be more customers. There would be different culture, religion, ... |
|
20-100 et Arno |
yes it can be an opportunity
because immigrants often accept poor jobs that french people never accept. |
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Clement(s) Gui |
It depends of the cases. If
you come from a poor country it's a chance in a lot of points like the
opportunity to earn much money and have a better life. |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
people who succeed to
immigrate in a country and who are well integrated think that it's good
because you get to know new people and new cultures |
|
matthieu ronan |
we think that it could be a
good opportunity for the migrants because they can learn new culture from
their host country |
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loulou Alex |
Arno > Yes but it is not
fair because their are often less paid than a french for the same job ! |
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20-100 et Arno
b201 |
yes it can be an opportunity
because immigrants bring their culture and so we can know their traditions. |
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matthieu ronan |
but they can be the target of
racial discrimination |
|
matthieu ronan |
and then it's not a good
thing for them |
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loulou Alex |
They can bring with them new
ways to work |
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Leo et Quentin |
We will know more about their
culture and their countries |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
And they can make a new life
for themself in a rich country. So they can easily have a job, an apartment, earn
money .... |
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fan2Josh!!! b201 |
it's a an opportunity for
people who come from poor countries only if they are well integrated and get
a good job. most of them are unemployed |
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fan2Josh!!!
b201 |
racism |
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matthieu ronan |
no |
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loulou Alex |
Anne sophie and C° >it is
not easy to have a job and everything for an immigrant |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
it's a great atmosphere to
live in a cosmopolitan town |
|
Leo et Quentin |
Yes it can be an opportunity
if the natural groth rate is negative |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
there is a lot of racism
towards immigrants |
|
20-100 et Arno |
Loulou > So it's a good
thing for economic developpement and also when they arrive in a new country,
it can be the luck of their life |
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C. BARRON |
You are going now to react to
the first arguments |
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Leo et Quentin |
yes |
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matthieu ronan |
of course, ok |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Loulou et Alex > it's true
but it can be a big change in their lives if they succed |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
It can be bad because you
should not be able to practice your religion and to conserv your culture and
your tradition |
|
matthieu ronan |
So we can say that
immigration can be an opportunity but a danger too |
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loulou Alex |
Anne Sophie and C° > there
is more immigrants who don't succed than immigrants who succed |
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Clement(s) Gui |
It's true tha we can't
complain about the immigrants because they accept jobs that mo |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
in nantes there are a lot of
Chinese and Japanese restaurants, so these different cultures are well
accepted. |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
arno>it's not an
opportunity to have jobs french don't want!!!!! |
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matthieu ronan |
it's maybe better than to
have no job |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
loulou+alex> Stop being
pessimist !! |
|
20-100 et Arno |
fan2joshb201>do you think
that everybody has accept them. |
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loulou Alex |
But they don't bring with
them just their culture but also their political opinion and as we said
before, their ways to work |
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Marie Domitille |
For one danger, immigrants
people just can live on themselves because they rejet others culture |
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Leo et Quentin |
Marie Domitille<< and
they will stay togoether and creat tensions |
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fan2Josh!!! b201 |
it's better to have a not
very good job than none at all and to live in a country where there is war |
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matthieu ronan |
i agree with you |
|
matthieu ronan |
you are welcome |
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Leo et Quentin |
its to easy to say that |
|
Leo et Quentin |
we have to find solutions. |
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fan2Josh!!! b201 |
what to??? |
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matthieu ronan |
yes but which solutions? |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
They can have difficulties to
find a job because of your origin, and then be unemployed and poor. The
problem is that poor must live in suburbs because they can't afford houses. |
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loulou Alex |
immigration is a danger when
it is illegal immigration because they come into the country without a place
to sleep and without a job. |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
for some of them in their
coutry they could have a better job than in france |
|
Marie Domitille |
to have a job, it's good but
if people feel that they are rejet |
|
matthieu ronan |
the problem is that usually
immigrated people have no skills to do good jobs |
|
C. BARRON |
EACH GROUP IS GOING NOW TO
TELL WHAT IS ACCORDING TO THEM THE MAIN DANGER WITH IMMIGRATION ... |
|
20-100 et Arno |
It can also be a good thing
for economics because they accept all kind of work, but they are victims of
prejudice. but we think that there aren't stupid jod |
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Leo et Quentin |
THE RACISM |
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Clement(s) Gui |
matthieu ronan what a
prejudice!!! |
|
20-100 et Arno |
ok we're now working on the
danger |
|
fan2Josh!!!
b201 |
immigration is
a danger when it's illigal immigration |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès asa |
that the immigrated could be
rejected |
|
Leo et Quentin |
It is a prejudice |
|
matthieu ronan |
they can lose their culture |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
their family, friends |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
And it often brings violence
between the french and the immigrants |
|
Marie Domitille |
the danger is that the
immigrants are rejected, live togheter and that creats problems(like in
suburbs). |
|
Leo et Quentin |
The main danger is that they
stay toegether and don't try to integret the country |
|
20-100 et Arno |
it can be a danger because
some immigrants want to keep their traditions and their culture and so they
make sorts of ghettos. |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Immigrants can be exploited
by someone. |
|
Leo et Quentin |
They stay toghether in small
part of town and speak their own language always |
|
matthieu ronan |
When they travel in bad
conditions they can die |
|
20-100 et Arno |
Please,someone anwser us |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
The main danger is to come
without any knowledge and nationality It's the best way not to be integrated |
|
C. BARRON |
HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT
THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH INTEGRATION ? |
|
Marie Domitille |
the state has to give them
allowances because they have more children |
|
loulou Alex |
no they don't lose their
culture but their culture can contrast a lot with the culture of the host
country. |
|
matthieu ronan |
20-100 et Arnau: we don't
agree with you |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
You could keep your
traditions and integrate in a country |
|
Leo et Quentin |
matthieu
ronan<<<<<< countries their in living of conditions bad is
there most but> |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
because people have some
prejudices and they don't want to accept immigrants |
|
20-100 et Arno |
Because people are racist and
they are untolerant |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
arno> i think ghettos can
be very dangerous for people in them + people around |
|
Leo et Quentin |
it't a danger if they use the
fact that they are foreingers to create violence |
|
loulou Alex |
there are problemms with
integration because some people from the host country feel that the
immigrants steal their jobs |
|
20-100 et Arno |
it can be a danger |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Because they have not the
same cultures |
|
Marie Domitille |
rich countries could give to
poor countries some money, like this maybe that the people would stay in
their country, there would be less economic problems and..... |
|
matthieu ronan |
if they don't find a job they
can become homeless |
|
Leo et Quentin |
I agree |
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Clement(s) Gui |
quentinet leo < t aren?
all> |
|
20-100 et Arno |
it can be a danger because if
they were too many, there won't be jobs any more. |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
mari+domi>and...rich
people would immigrate to the poor countries |
|
matthieu ronan |
LEO AND QUENTIN: the
immigrated people aren't all violents!! |
|
Leo et Quentin |
Clement(s)
Gui<<<<<<<<<<<<<< LEO?S the it
opinion my not> |
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Clement(s) Gui |
ronan et matt<< don't
repeat like us |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Clement et Gui > There are
not all violent, but the french people make them going in that way |
|
Leo et Quentin |
YES but they are sometime
cause of some violences |
|
matthieu ronan |
Clements et gui: sorry, we
didn't know that you had already say that |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
josh> that comes from
migrations!!! |
|
20-100 et Arno |
It can increase unemployement
and also violent in "cité" and risk quarter |
|
Leo et Quentin |
LOOK AT IN " BANLIEUS
"! |
|
loulou Alex |
Read everything because you
alwas same the same things as the others |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
immigrants want to stand out
and being volent is one way to do it. |
|
Leo et Quentin |
and in the stade of france
!!! |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
LEO your opinion don't have
any sens |
|
Leo et Quentin |
their wasnt any frenchs |
|
20-100 et Arno |
We agree leo quentin for the
first word |
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fan2Josh!!! b201 |
ok, with Léo and Quentin |
|
matthieu ronan |
Wouldn't you be racist? |
|
Leo et Quentin |
I have my opinon |
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loulou Alex |
In the Stade de France only
very few people begin and others follow |
|
20-100 et Arno |
no because we're tolerant and
kind |
|
Leo et Quentin |
but I didnt say that they are
ALL racistes |
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Clement(s) Gui |
LEO ET QUENTIN
<< for french a> |
|
Leo et Quentin |
or violent |
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matthieu ronan |
are you racist leonard |
|
20-100 et Arno |
Yes but someone are and it's
the problem, it's only a minority |
|
Leo et Quentin |
A FRENCH IS A PERSON WHO HAVE
THE FRENCH NATIONNALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
C. BARRON |
What should be done in order
to prevent what happenend during F/Algeria ? |
|
20-100 et Arno |
More security and police and
cellar!!! |
|
Leo et Quentin |
MORE POLICE |
|
loulou Alex |
LEO > Some immigrants get
the french nationality do you consider them as french people ? |
|
Leo et Quentin |
YES |
|
matthieu ronan |
More stewarts |
|
20-100 et Arno |
we must put more
"stadier" |
|
loulou Alex |
What a developped answer !! |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
LEO AND QUENTIN <<
NATIONALITY FRENCH THE HAD> |
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20-100 et Arno
b201 |
Yes but only if they speak
perfectlly french |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
the security can't do
everything they are human beings |
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fan2Josh!!! b201 |
we should do the football
match in Algeria and not whistle |
|
Leo et Quentin |
BUT THEY REVANDICATE THEIR
ALGERIANS ONES |
|
C. BARRON |
The problem is deeper than it
seems, putting more policemen or "stadier" is not a real solution
... |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
BARRON << a better
MENTALITY!!! |
|
Leo et Quentin |
I HAVE THE
SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET 'S FORBID THE FOOTBALL |
|
20-100 et Arno |
yes |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
no! |
|
matthieu ronan |
VERY FUNNY |
|
loulou Alex |
CB > so what's your
solution ? |
|
C. BARRON |
What policy should a
government apply to improve integration ? |
|
Marie Domitille |
more police isn't the real
solution because that won't change people's mind |
|
loulou Alex |
I agree |
|
Leo et Quentin |
A PACIFIC POLICE COULD BE
APPLY TO IMPROVE INTEGRATION |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
to put off the FN !!!!! |
|
C. BARRON |
loulou and alex , my solution
is EDUCATION |
|
Marie Domitille |
to learn tolerance in
schools, streets to sensibile people |
|
20-100 et Arno |
they should help immigration
and migrants to integrate themselves in the society |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
to organise more meetings btw
immigrants+french |
|
Leo et Quentin |
YES I AGREE WITH EDUCATION
BUT SINCE THE PRIMARY |
|
Leo et Quentin |
SCHOOL |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
and to sensibilise us to
their culture |
|
Leo et Quentin |
NO |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
BARRON<< A New law
about integration there is no one until now! |
|
matthieu ronan |
We think that it's the french
government which pushed the algerian to come in France 30 years ago and now
it let them in kind of ghettos.That why algerian people are angry against the
french people. |
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Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Arno > How do you make
them intregrate the society ??????? |
|
20-100 et Arno |
some parents aren't able to
pay their children's studies. |
|
Leo et Quentin |
TO ORGANIZE MEETING IS A BAD
SOLUTION BECAUSE IT INCREASE THE GAP BEETWEEN FRENCH AND IMMIGRANTS |
|
loulou Alex |
Anne Sophie and C° > Why
do you want to put off the FN, THey have the right to do what they want even
if they are sometimes very stupid !! |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
BARRON<< EDUCATION FROM
THE PARENTS OR THE TEACHERS, |
|
Leo et Quentin |
ARNO 20 100 <<<<
YES BUT THE STATE SCHOOL IS FREE !!!! |
|
matthieu ronan |
yes but the parents can
educate them |
|
Marie Domitille |
we must learn at school
tolerance and education to young, but if at home their parents are racists ,
they won't learn more |
|
20-100 et Arno |
Anne sofi> by give them
money from rich people |
|
Leo et Quentin |
BUT IF THE PARENTS ARE
ALREADY RACISTS??? |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
in high school teenagers
rebel themselves and the education from the teachers is no use |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
arno> meetings are between
french+immigrants in order to discover each other |
|
Marie Domitille |
we must put parents at school |
|
Leo et Quentin |
20-100 is a ROBIN HOOD |
|
C. BARRON |
WHAT IS YOUR CONCLUSION ? |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
leo et
quentin<<< REEDUCATE> |
|
Leo et Quentin |
GIVE MONEY TO THE POOR FROM
THE RICH AND KICK THE KING |
|
20-100 et Arno |
we think that teacher's
education is important but parent's one is more important |
|
Leo et Quentin |
!! |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Marie et
Domitille > We agreed |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
immigration is a big
mentality problem if people were more open-minded there would be less
problems |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
G |
|
matthieu ronan |
Integration still a big
problem in our modern society |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
Alex>Yes, but their ideas
are very racist !!! |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès asa |
CONCLUSION I WANT TO
EMMIGRATE |
|
loulou Alex |
more meeting between
immigrants and french and also making school compulsory for immigrants where
there is teachers who have another way to educate them not to be violent . |
|
fan2Josh!!! b201 |
yes to anne-soph, Lu, aGN7S |
|
Leo et Quentin |
immigration is sometime the
same probleme that violence in banlieux |
|
matthieu ronan |
why do you want to immigrate |
|
Marie Domitille |
it's difficult to have a
conclusion because everybody's mind on this subject is different and nobody
will never be satisfied |
|
C. BARRON |
SHOULD WE KEEP OUR FRONTIERS
OPENED TO IMMIGRATION ? |
|
Clement(s) Gui |
BARRON << We are making
a BIG BRACKET!!! |
|
loulou Alex |
Anne Sophie > THey have
the right to be racist |
|
Anne-Sophie,
Lucy et Agnès |
jISH > fOR THE fn OR FOR
THE MEETINGS , |
|
Leo et Quentin |
yes but we could create a
system of count |
|
loulou Alex |
violence and
immigration are linked !! |
|
fan2Josh!!!
b201 |
yes but people have to have
good intentions* |